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Jimmy
Stewart from Mars
A
new book by a local professor collects over 30 years of interviews
with filmmaker David Lynch
By
Josh Potter
In
1979, Richard Barney was just beginning graduate school in
Ohio. One night, he and a group of friends decided to check
out a cult film that had recently come to town after a two-year
run on the midnight movie circuit in New York City. He didn’t
know what to expect but had heard the film was the bizarre
brainchild of an eccentric filmmaker who’d spent seven years
toiling in obscurity to get the thing just right. Some viewers
considered the film unwatchable, an abomination, others a
singular work of genius.
“We
went,” Barney says, “and the thing, well, it was indescribable.”
The movie was Eraserhead, a cinematic fever dream that
follows a nervous fellow with buoyant hair through the unexpected
birth of his baby (“The doctors are still not sure it is
a baby!”), fantasies about a tumored girl in his radiator,
and to his eventual demise whereby his severed head is used
to manufacture pencil erasers. The filmmaker, David Lynch
(Blue Velvet, Twin Peaks, Mulholland Dr.), is the subject
of David Lynch Interviews, a new book that Barney,
a University at Albany English professor, has compiled of
interviews spanning the filmmaker’s career.
“I
came out [of Eraserhead],” he says, “and said to my
friends, ‘that is probably the strangest and most original
movie ever made.’ I knew I’d been disturbed. I knew I’d seen
amazing images. I knew the guy knew what he was doing at a
very profound level. It was only later that I was able to
think about what was going on, but this is very often what
happens with a Lynch movie. You sort of absorb it, almost
through the skin, let it do whatever it does, then later you
can see what you may think about it. And that hooked me. This
book just gave me a more official venue to explore what this
relationship is about.”
The book is number 69 in the Conversations with Filmmakers
Series, put out by the University Press of Mississippi. The
series editor approached Barney with the opportunity to compile
a volume, but Barney expected that, at this point, all “the
good ones” were taken. When he discovered that Lynch was up
for grabs, he jumped at the opportunity without realizing
he had picked one of the most challenging living directors
to interview. The book features 24 interviews, beginning with
Lynch’s very first interview with the Soho Weekly News
in 1977, just when word of mouth was spreading about Eraserhead,
and culminates in the second of two interviews Barney himself
conducted with Lynch in 2008 following the release of his
latest feature film, Inland Empire. In between, Barney
has included articles from both American and international
film journals, the transcripts from press conferences and
radio shows, even a piece from the design magazine Form
exploring Lynch’s passion for painting, architecture and
furniture building.
“A
rough estimate is that a quarter of the interviews published
are records of non-events,” Barney says. “He’s notorious for
being hard to interview, which I didn’t realize at the time
[of the book deal].”
It isn’t that Lynch is cagey or secretive about his work,
in fact, by Barney’s account and others, the Missoula, Mont.,
native is an amiable “chatty Kathy” who loves to tell stories,
philosophize off the cuff, and pepper his monologues with
folksy expressions like “golly,” “you betcha,” and “peachy
keen.” Instead, Barney describes the way Lynch discusses his
films as “enigmatic,” a description that might apply equally
to Lynch’s films.
“He
could be a neo-realist director and just be the kind of guy
who refuses to tell you what he meant,” Barney says. “The
fact is that the very phenomenon his films are about is what’s
‘unseen’ or ‘unknown.’ ” This aesthetic of the “unsaid” or
“un-show-able,” then, carries with it a requirement that Lynch
not attempt to elucidate concrete ideas that might collapse
all of the intended infinite subjective viewing experiences
into one singular “theme” or “point.” “In a way,” Barney says,
“he thinks of himself as delivering things to us rather than
having thought everything through and then presented it. He
said in one interview, ‘it’s often not good to know actually
what you’re doing.’ ”
This fact has, over the years, stymied interviewers who haven’t
been able to enter into Lynch’s “revelatory and obfuscating”
vocabulary. As a result, Barney has deliberately included
some unsuccessful interviews in the collection for what they
reveal about Lynch’s use of language. The early interviews
take place during a time (’70s and early ’80s) that some friends,
partners and wives have dubbed Lynch’s “preverbal phase,”
a time when Lynch himself admitted he “didn’t understand the
concept, really, of speaking about a thing.” A former partner,
the actress Isabella Rossellini, describes asking Lynch a
question and receiving instead hand gestures and whooshing
sounds. In 1992, a press conference at the Cannes Film Festival
turned hostile as Lynch danced around the frustrated questions
of journalists following the premier of Twin Peaks: Fire
Walk with Me. His demeanor even posed a momentary hang-up
for Barney, when in the first of their interviews Lynch grew
quiet upon learning that Barney was a professor. “Academics
make Lynch nervous,” Barney explains, “because he thinks they’re
going to make him intellectualize everything. Or they’ll insist
on some declarative statement about all of his movies.”
Instead, Barney’s book charts a compelling chronology through
the course of Lynch’s career. As the interviews proceed, Lynch
grows noticeably more comfortable in the interview setting,
and as his reputation evolves from oddball genius (“Jimmy
Stewart from Mars,” as Mel Brooks called him), to indie-film
darling, to mainstream celebrity, to bizarro auteur, Lynch
is able to push past the stigma of his oddity to reveal the
greater depths of his genius.
Barney’s own interviews with Lynch offer some of the most
probing insight into his process and philosophy. This fact
is perhaps most evident when, in Barney’s second interview,
the topic turns to Transcendental Meditation, a spiritual
practice Lynch has been involved with since 1973 but had been
reluctant to discuss until the ’90s. In recent years, Lynch
has toured the country extolling the virtues of the practice
and recently started the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based
Education and World Peace. For years, Lynch has used the metaphor
of “fishing” to account for the way ideas and plot elements
come to him, but Barney was interested in the way his meditation
practice facilitates this fishing. In both his films and his
meditation, there are levels, dimensions and spheres beyond
the ordinary to which we can have momentary access. “When
he talks about TM,” Barney says, “it is the most positive,
expansive, joyful experience he can describe. But that doesn’t
sound anything like the experience of most of his characters
when they come into contact with some other dimension. The
common link is that, since the ’70s, Lynch has been interested
in practices and stories that explode the ego-based sense
of human identity and purpose.” Whether it’s Agent Cooper
entering the Black Lodge in Twin Peaks, Diane Selwyn’s
dreamy doppelganger in Mulholland Dr., the presence
of the Mystery Man in Lost Highway, or Lynch’s own
pursuit of “pure bliss consciousness,” Barney says, “his first
priority is to explore, radically challenge, and displace
that ego-centered sense of the world, regardless of what comes
after, whether it’s terror, disorientation or pleasure.”
A similar process, it seems, was required to simply access
Lynch. Like many famous directors, he maintains many “protective
layers.” Just to arrange a meeting, Barney had to go through
Lynch’s lawyer, business office, a fleet of personal assistants,
and finally the man himself. Barney refers to Lynch’s residence
as a “three-house compound” in the Hollywood hills, where
he keeps his offices, editing and sound studios, as well as
space for painting and furniture building. (One of these houses
functioned as Bill Pullman’s character’s house in Lost
Highway.) Interviews take place in Lynch’s art loft, amid
some of his unfinished projects.
“I
was sitting in his studio for one of these interviews,” Barney
says, “and on the floor there’s this plastic doll with missing
limbs. You might see this sort of thing in a lot of places,
but this one was four-feet tall and you had to step over it
when you came in. I couldn’t help looking at it and thinking
about it during the interview.”
Far from dark or ominous, Barney says this aspect of Lynch’s
art and character actually reveals the childlike wonder that
underlies his films. During the interview, Lynch went on at
great length about the best gift he’d ever received: a box
of dead bees given to him by the late Jack Nance (Henry in
Eraserhead). He used the bees to create an art piece
called “Bee Board,” where he tacked the bees in a row and
assigned them names like Bob, Joan, and Nancy. The project
is not unlike the infamous “animal kits” Lynch keeps, which
consist of real fragmented animals and instructions on their
assembly.
“The
reason I never felt weirded out by any of this,” Barney says,
“was that I listened to the comments made by his children
who grew up when he was doing this stuff. They entered into
it as a childlike activity, with the kind of awe and sense
of fun that’s true for Lynch, but not a lot of adults.”
For most viewers, the notion of something being “Lynchian”
usually connotes fear, disorientation and oddity, but evidenced
by his films and the interviews collected in Barney’s book,
it’s a commitment to mystery (in the general, not genre, sense)
that might best describe Lynch’s work and character. For Barney,
this “indescribable” quality was both his project’s greatest
challenge and core subject.
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